there you go after all that doing tests and the disappearing role scenario's I've only gone and laded me a perm role aint I the bonus is I work remotely 90% of the time with team meets 3 times a month pays good at $54k plus 10% bonus with learning packages and medicare thrown in not bad for this side of the pond plus I can work from the beach or in starbucks or hell I might just sit on the sofa tomorrow and work my ass off ........ it's ok it's in Agile so the company is ok with it so long as I can strap into the server which I can ........ it's ok I like talking to you guys so I won't be going I'll still be here posting comments